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Maturity required to be an adult at CSUSB

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Published: Tuesday, March 9, 2010

Updated: Tuesday, March 9, 2010 17:03

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Richard Bowie | Chronicle photo

The Osher Adult Re-entry Center isn't quite as friendly to adult students as it name may suggest, says Mary Martinez

As an older returning student, I’ve used lots of the resources provided at CSUSB to assist my re-entry into college life.

Most of these have proved helpful.

One however, has not: The Osher Adult Re-Entry Center located in the Student Union.

I’ve been back at school now for over a year. Now and then, I’d wander into the Adult Re-Entry Center to do some studying or to relax between classes.

Invariably, the center would be filled with young teenage students loudly yelling back and forth, often using profanity.

Music would blare from a radio and if I stood around inside the door long enough, someone who worked there would eventually, and rudely ask, “Can I help you?” as if they’d really rather not.

After spending several hours inside the center trying to study for a test, I had enough of hearing rowdy guys shout back and forth at each other about their sexual prowess while calling each other racial epithets.

I left and never went back.

On its website, the Osher Adult Re-Entry Center describes itself as, “an inviting place for you to be part of a community of folks much like yourself.”

That wasn’t really the case for me and other adult students I’ve talked to about it.

Now I’m not saying I’m against having younger people in the center. I love that the Student Union’s Centers aren’t supposed to be only for one type of people. I think its great that men are free to enjoy the Women’s Center’s services and that the Pride Center is a safe zone for all.

I don’t care who is in the center, I just think that the people in charge of the center itself should preserve its intended environment.

I realize that I’m in college, and actually many of my friends here are in their teens and twenties. I hang out with them a lot and really don’t mind loudness or even profanity (I definitely have no room to talk there!).

I just think that if there is going to be a place set aside on campus that’s supposed to make me feel comfortable, then I should feel welcome and comfortable there.

I’ve heard from younger students who don’t frequent the Student Union that much, that it’s a place for cliques and “groups” and not really for them.

Maybe the people who work in the Adult Re-Entry Center and any other centers in the union should remember their intended audience and that their offices weren’t meant to be an exclusive hang-out for their friends.

To the Adult Re-Entry Center, all I ask is that you at least enforce some kind of respectful environment on the one place on campus that’s reserved for older students.

The Center’s website claims: “we know that non-traditional students face unique challenges and that returning or entering school at this stage in your life can seem daunting.”

Honestly, returning to school wasn’t that daunting for me. The only times that I’ve ever really not fit in here were at the one place where I was supposed to feel the most comfortable.

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41 comments

Anonymous
Sun Apr 25 2010 01:01
There is definitely some conflict here that could have been avoided had the management been running things correctly. The fact that the argument continues to move forwards means that a problem does exist. Someone needs to get fired!
Anonymous
Sun Apr 25 2010 00:53
I used to go to the ARC in 07, 08, and half of 09 but sometime after that there was a change. It was a place where I could have coffee, read, and socialize with others. I must say that I enjoyed the place because I could have real conversations with people. Now, there is music blaring from lab tops competing with the center's music, people dancing, and I have heard on more than one occasion offensive sexual comments. I have addressed these issues with Judy but no changes were made. What is needed are policy changes. I don't mind sharing the place with other people but if someone says something that is disrespectful or behaves in a ridiculous manner, then they need to get kicked out. If Judy doesn't want to do it then they need to put the center in the hands of another person. Imagine going into the WRC and expressing foul things about women; it's not right and the behavior in the ARC is not proper. It's the ADULT center not fraternity center!
Anonymous
Thu Apr 15 2010 14:49
After hearing about what happened with the newspapers at a party over break I decided to check out the arc myself.
The author got it right! I'm in my late 20's and wasn't comfortable there at all. It's like an exclusive club for a very specific group of people.

I'm really suprised administration of the university allows this to continue.

Anonymous
Tue Mar 16 2010 01:05
As a regular adult student in the A.R.C. i agree with the fact that students shouldn't be able to say and act the way they want to in a center that is dedicated to adult re-entry students. As adults and students we should know better but come on...this is a college campus full of students ranging from 17 year olds to 65+. There is going to be some immaturity amongst all that. I admit I can still act immature and I am pushing 50. Even outside of the centers you'll find students talking loudly and using profanity. It's freedom of speech. And as i sit in the A.R.C. , a slip will happen where someone cusses or talks loudly or even uses a "homophobic" slur, the friendly staff will quickly ask them to quiet down or the term they use is "safe-zone" to keep students aware that the A.R.C. is a place where you can enjoy yourself but also have respect for other students. I even find some students sometimes catching themselves after saying something bad and saying "safe-zone" themselves and apologizing. Yes, I agree that there have been times where the center has been a little to loud and occupied with many students but that just shows how many more students are discovering that there are resources there for them. I was just in there today and the music was playing at a low tone, students being respectful of their volume, and several adult re-entry students studying/reading. Everyone can continue to argue about the article and keep bashing at each other but it isn't going to get us anywhere. You pointed out the flaws and they have obviously been addressed and are being changed. It could've been done in a more civilized way instead of calling the center and the employees/coordinator out in the school newspaper.
Anonymous
Mon Mar 15 2010 22:17
"No one is going to throw us out," and "no one is going to tell us to be quiet." Those types of statements are obviously the problem here. Just because we pay student union fees doesnt mean we can just act any way we want. As adults and college students, we should know better. We would know better than to go into the WRC and speak loudly or aggressively toward women, or into the Pride Center and spout homophobia. So too, should these students know not to go into a center for older students and use profanity or racially charged language (something older generations have fought against for much longer than us). If students do these things in that center, then they should indeed be told to be quiet, and if they dont, then they should be asked to leave. Read the article, she said she enjoyed the diversity, just that she would like a better atmosphere. The fact that so many young students are defending their right to misbehave in a small area supposedly reserved for older students probably points to a much larger problem here.
Anonymous
Mon Mar 15 2010 21:25
Ok 20 year old writer, don't go to the ARC. Don't get scantrons, coffee, snacks, use the microwave or anything else. Go to another center. Folks who want it quiet, don't go to the ARC. Nobody is going to throw us out of a center when we pay fees to enjoy the resources. No one is going to tell us to be quiet because it is not a library and we are free to speak when we like.I am sure that older students need resources and services, but the writer didn't ask for those things. She didn't speak to anyone about the issues she wrote about. She only went and wrote a complaint. Now people are speaking up in defense of a wonderful center and very caring and compassionate staff. We are not putting our ages, but it doesn't matter. Does the WRC keep men from their center? Do you have to be gay to go to the Pride Center? Are whites disallowed from the CCC? I think not. Those student union fees I pay give me the right to hang out in any center I want and the ARC is obviously the one that most people want to be in. Why else would so many people be defending it? You have an 80 year old man and a seventy something woman all riled up in there. Show some maturity, and develop some tolerance and acceptance. The people in the ARC seem to be enjoying the diversity pretty well. It may not be the place for everyone, so just get over it.
pouyan
Mon Mar 15 2010 20:16
I keep reading these comments about how the ARC is not a library, and if someone wants to study, they can move along somewhere else.
But isn't the SMSU as a whole supposed to be a place for these laughs, lively debates, coffee and socializing? That's why we have a huge, two-story building where we can do those things. And resource centers, especially the ARC which is dedicated to older students reentering the education system, should be places for STUDENTS who need RESOURCES.
And gee, what might an older student, who probably has a slew of other responsibilities outside of this campus that come with a full time job, a family, running a household etc., want when dealing with the all challenges and pressures of college? MAYBE SOME QUIET TIME TO READ!
I'm 20 years old and if I want to get together with my friends to unwind, talk, laugh, discuss, debate etc. I sit out on the couches. Hell, I could probably even go to the WRC, PC, or CCC if I wanted to talk about some current events. Why would I gather with all my friends my age in the ARC to do all these things? After taking tests and silently writing notes all day long, sure I'd want to take the opportunity to be a little loud and use some foul language. But the first place I'd think of to do these things would not be the Adult Re-entry Center. That's just common sense to me. Don't get me wrong, I HIGHLY appreciate all the services and snacks and scantrons all these comments are talking about, and since I pay for them with my student fees, I'm very happy to partake in them, but I'm not an adult reentering the university, so I feel like my time is more appropriately spent elsewhere.
So yeah, maybe the the center SHOULD be more like a library, at least if that's what older students want, after all, it is supposed to be their center. Let's not be flippant and dismissive towards students who want to study, we all could use some more of that.
Richard Bowie, Chronicle News Editor
Mon Mar 15 2010 19:25
All this talk about freedom of speech and those making comments here are vilifying Ms. Martinez for stating her own opinion, it's a two way street. As an opinions writer for the Coyote Chronicle, Mary has the right to voice her opinion (not to mention, an obligation, since she's enrolled in the newspaper class where she gets credit for her stories).

It's the Adult RE-entry center, aimed to help older adult students who are returning to school to better their lives through education. As a person who fits this bill, Ms. Martinez has every right to be upset and voice her opinions if she feels uncomfortable in the center. And I'm glad there's a discussion here about it too.
But one of the other posters was right, ganging up, 40 people strong on a writer who's only doing her job, isn't adding to the discussion, it's only showing immaturity on their part.
Do you really think that Ms. Martinez or any of the other older students who may be reading these comments are going to feel any more welcome or invited to the ARC when all these younger students are being hostile and name calling?

You have the right to disagree with an opinion, that's great. But let's stop the personal attacks on the writer and get to the issue of why this article was written and what we can do to change that. And if it was all truly all a misunderstanding or miscommunication, as Judi Cruz intelligently wrote in her response, then let's find a way to be more fix that.

Anonymous
Mon Mar 15 2010 19:03
To which personal assaults are you referring to? If you scan the comments, you'll find that most of the personal assaults are directed at the author of the article.
Anonymous
Mon Mar 15 2010 18:27
Come on down to the ARC right now and see what is really going on. I have been here since my class ended at 2pm. Enjoying myself as I usually do in the center with music playing, people talking, and people actually sleeping through it all. You need to take the high road as Judi did with her response. All those other nasty personal assaults need to end. If you don't like the center and it is not for you, then find another place to be.
Marquist Ware
Mon Mar 15 2010 18:21
OK Lets stop the madness. Mary starts with a one-sided article, folks that know, use, and support the ARC respond to it in the way that they should-with responses and opinions of their own-which is their right to do. Now you want to accuse people of stealing FREE newspapers. Look, you wrote your article, you opened it up for discussion, now you want to try to throw some more bull on it. The Student Union has cameras, do a check on that and find out before you start accusing people of stealing FREE papers. The Coyote Chron probably made someone else mad about another article. People are writing articles because THEY CARE ABOUT THE ARC!!!! We have a right to respond FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Free speech is writing back in regards to the stuff that has been posted against the center, the coordinator, and the entire staff. Of course we will use the computers right after one another. Why are you commenting political science major? What's your connection if you never been in there? The people writing are in there daily!!!!!! RUDE!!!!!!! We are not anonymous...we post our names....how about you?
Anonymous
Mon Mar 15 2010 18:12
Wow this is crazy. I've never been in the ARC but I've been following this story. It's very interesting how all of these immature "old lady," "loser" comments were all written Monday and all in a row. Kind of as if a bunch of the teens that the author was talking about were told to write in while they were hanging out in the center....Hmmm.....

Sounds like the center has really shown this author was truly right by coordinating all of this hate toward a very mature, well-argued article and this whole missing newspapers issue sure sounds fishy. I wouldn't doubt it was them.

Props to the author, our student fees should go to someone writing her opinion in the opinion section of the newspaper. Maybe you all should go to your poli sci classes and learn what free speech is.

Anonymous
Mon Mar 15 2010 18:10
ps. Catherine's still enjoying her wonderful nap, here at the ARC! :)

-Venecia Avina

Anonymous
Mon Mar 15 2010 18:06
Yeaaaaahhhh! What CaddieMack said!
Anonymous
Mon Mar 15 2010 18:04
Mary!!! Is that you accusing us of stealing papers?! **Shaking my head** Im apalled that you would even stoop that low...SIKE!! You created this mess, accusing us of stealing papers is nothing. LOL. You make me laugh!
Anonymous
Mon Mar 15 2010 17:39
It is great that the ARC has some supporters, but sad that many of their replies are simply shouting the "Mary is a loser", etc. One person even tried to make it a racial issue. Replies of this nature do little to bolster the reputation of the ARC, and only reinforce the criticism against it.

Perhaps one of you is the person who stole hundreds of Coyote Chronicles last week. If you were really that confident and sure, you wouldn't have stolen all those papers.

CaddieMack Williams
Mon Mar 15 2010 17:30
Ok, you guys are really taking this too far. What started as a poorly written opinion letter has now become just another opportunity to trash the very best center in the student union. Ive been going to the ARC for the passed three years and Judi Cruz has helped many people including me with any problems that I may have both personal and educational wise. How many centers in this school or any school has a center that is not only actually working but are committed to helping in anyway they can. This center has helped keep me in school and deal with personal issues that could have put me and my education at risk . I thank them truly for everything that they have done and are still doing. To write something so cruel and derogatory on this center is obviously from someone who has hate towards someone on the staff and should keep business matters aside from personal feelings
Cherica Bell
Mon Mar 15 2010 17:13
I find it funny that you came up with the title for this article but you have not yet shown that level of maturity that you are speaking of in that article. I find this article to be nothing but pure gossip. Im utterly disappointed at you Mary because if you were actually the adult you think you are, and the studying college student you claim to be you shouldnt have this much time on your hands to waste the space in the paper that it took to write this article and more importantly my student fees. I pay too much money to opne the paper and read an article published about one of the most helpful centers and coordinators in this student union. Are you actually satisfied with how you have turned the center upside down and caused personal hurt to the coordinator of the center. The "Maturity required to be an adult at CSUSB" that you are speaking of should be used in your own personal life... In this case, the ADULT thing to do would be to come speak face to face with the coordinator of the center and maybe your comments and opinions about this center will be respected a little more... AND YOU CAN QUOTE ME!!!
Anonymous
Mon Mar 15 2010 16:58
Wow! These comments sound like they came out of some highschool quad during passing periods! What mature adult bad mouths an individual like this?! Very sketchy, publicly/online, and of course, anonymously. A mature individual would simply walk into Judi Cruz's office and address any concerns he/she has. Sitting here today at the ARC, i find the article Mary Martinez wrote very silly...it's barely 1:30 and there's been more than 100 students in here utilizing the resources and welcoming environment. And yes among these 100+ students are the wonderful and, might I add, very satisfied: Catherine, Darlene, Carlos, Santiago, Tia, Tracy, Caroline and Sandra who are all over 25 years old. As a matter of fact, my dear friend Catherine, who is over the age of 60 and is a regular here at the ARC, is comfortably sitting on the couch with her shoes off, enjoying some of her usual leisure reading. Actually, now that i've taken another glance, I see that she's laying back, feet on the couch, dozing into a nap, and the center's energy and business hasn't changed a bit. People are still coming in asking for scantrons, warming up their food, and freely chit-chatting about whatever's on their mind. All in all, this is a usual, but none the less, beautfiul day at the ARC.

-Venecia Avina

C. Bell
Mon Mar 15 2010 16:57
The ARC is a great representation of campus life. Students of all ages, races, and gender working together under one roof. Eating, studying, talking, and having meaningful ADULT conversations. Where else on campus would that tale place. It is very apparent that Mary has gotten a few of her "Anonymous" friends to write letters to support her ridiculous article. Why would someone who experienced such a bad time walk away and not speak to someone about their complaints and then wait and post an article like that. Speak up!!! You are an adult, remember? Stop acting like a spoiled child, Mary. Maybe that's why you don't feel comfortable anywhere, maybe because you are too busy hating people to fit in.






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